MichaelTapes
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Just for the record, while I was informed of this news before today's announcement, let's just say "not long before" to say the least. As you can imagine, when a deal involves a company as large as Adobe, no one finds out except on a need to know basis.
I will advise you of what I can, when I can, as honestly as possible, as I have always tried to do.
Please put all comments and questions into this thread, so we can track them.
Thanks...
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I think it's fair to ask whether or not the CE profiles for the 30D will ever be released. I'm not asking about when, but if.
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Michael_Mouravi
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Michael, would you then explain this post you made TODAY:
"Even in the public beta of Lightroom, Pixmantec management has decided not to waste time with pronouncements of what may be coming. They prefer to keep working on the future rather than talking about it. While frustrating for users, it is the best way to ensure max productivity from R&D in the long run."
I'd understand if you just stayed out of these discussions. But by posting what you did, while knowing what is really happening... well...
EDIT: If you only found out about this AFTER the quoted post, please say so and please accept my sincere apology
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Markus_Stamm
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OK, repost from other thread:
Regarding Rawshooter Essentials:
Not long ago it was advertised as "free forever", wasn't it?
Allthough I'm likely to profit by this deal (I switched to a Mac recently and will likely buy Lightroom anyway, hopefully for a reduced price now) I am very surprised by this news and don't see it as good news for existing Pixmantec customers.
We trusted you, and you certainly disappointed us. You just threw away a great product.
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I think it's fair to ask whether or not the CE profiles for the 30D will ever be released. I'm not asking about when, but if.
It is fair to ask. I simply do not know. I would assume that discontinued means no more releases, but that is only my assumption.
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I can imagine the upgrade path will just be a couple of sheets off the price of the the full version of PSCS2 (or Lightroom once released). Given how much these Adobe products are the discount will amount to very little.
Sad news for a product that held up well against Bibble and Capture One, runs significantly faster than Nikon's Capture and priced at an acceptable point!!
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Quote:
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I think it's fair to ask whether or not the CE profiles for the 30D will ever be released. I'm not asking about when, but if.
It is fair to ask. I simply do not know. I would assume that discontinued means no more releases, but that is only my assumption.
OK, but it would be great if you could find out this information for us users, especially those of us who sent cameras to have this done.
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It's a sad day for the RSP user.
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MichaelTapes
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Michael, would you then explain this post you made TODAY:
"Even in the public beta of Lightroom, Pixmantec management has decided not to waste time with pronouncements of what may be coming. They prefer to keep working on the future rather than talking about it. While frustrating for users, it is the best way to ensure max productivity from R&D in the long run."
I'd understand if you just stayed out of these discussions. But by posting what you did, while knowing what is really happening... well...
As much as I do not like it and it does not happen often, sometimes I have to do my job ignoring some information that I might have. When and if that becomes offensive to me I leave or reduce my involvement. I am paid to moderate this forum and that is what I did this morning. I answered all questions as if I did not know about the deal, because until it was officially announced, I had no idea if it was in fact signed or not. So my answer this morning was made because I had been away for several days and wanted to answer as many posts as I could, and in this one case I had to ignore the fact that I knew that this deal was probably coming today. I only know of it for a few days, and absolutely no details. The fact that RSP is discontinues as of today is new information to me.
Please do not make me out to be a bad guy here. I did not profit from this deal, and while I have not been informed, I would imagine that my consulting contract will be terminated before the end of the month. So I just lost a good client.
But of course I am happy for Pixmantec, and Thomas and his Lightroom team, and the many people who will benefit from lightroom.
How they and/or Adobe handle the issue is beyond my sphere of influence on the matter.
For the RSP and RSP/CE customers.....it is not appropriate for me to comment on your situation here, but until I am told otherwise, encourage you to voice your thoughts on the subject.
Thanks...
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Edited by MichaelTapes (Mon Jun 26 2006 05:05 PM)
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Dierk_Haasis
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Let me take a wild guess here: The former RS|P will benefit from Thomas Knoll's team's camera RAW file deconstruction.
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Michael,
Personally, I hope no one here holds any grudges against you. I think you've done many of us so much good over the course of RSE and RSP. So first a personal thank you. When Technology acquisitions happen, it is often that the end user gets the brunt of it. I think that what bothers most folks here, is that RSE and RSP was built on a word of mouth grass roots type movement of loyal users who worked through bugs with you, offered help and suggestions to make the products more competitive, etc. It is somewhat a mutual relationship that made RSP attractive enough that Adobe would want the technology. After all, if you hadn't gained some of the popularity, Adobe might have looked elsewhere. So with that in mind, it is disappointing that Pixmantec took the equity and faith we put into it, and did not make our futures either very clear, or secure. That is where the wrong has come in. A much better approach might have been to make the announcement such that RSP will be continued to be supported until such time as it is fully integrated in to Adobe, and at that point RSP users will be given a free upgade. Again though, thank you for all the sweat equity you put in.
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Just for the record, while I was informed of this news before today's announcement, let's just say "not long before" to say the least. As you can imagine, when a deal involves a company as large as Adobe, no one finds out except on a need to know basis.
I will advise you of what I can, when I can, as honestly as possible, as I have always tried to do.
Please put all comments and questions into this thread, so we can track them.
Thanks...
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Dierk_Haasis
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Not to forget, you lost a well selling product (although I have no idea if it sold well through your Web site) ...
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Needless to say, I'm not terribly happy about Adobe buying out the competition. While I feel most of Adobe's products are excellent (and use a number of them), I've loathed, for years, their non-existent customer support. Basically, you are on your own after 30-days, unless you want to cough up some more money. I'm lucky that I've rarely needed any additional tech support, though I do now (Photoshop cursors keep switching properties on their own). While RawShooter Premium was very reasonably priced, the Adobe version would have been easily $100-200 higher for the same program and technology. It's also a pity that the public will lose a excellent freebie in the form of Essensials.
I feel especially jaded since Adobe has yet to unveil a PC version of Lightroom. If they had any sense of customer support, they would offer a special "upgrade" pricing for current users of Premium. . .but they won't. Congratulations to Pixmantec. At least their hard work has been rewared by a buy out.
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MichaelTapes
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Regarding Rawshooter Essentials:
Not long ago it was advertised as "free forever", wasn't it?
-- Markus
I interpreted Free Forever to mean that as long as RSE existed, there would be no cost to own it, and any upgrades that were offered would also be free. I think Pixmantec kept their deal on that one. No company can guarentee that they can keep a product going for any specific amount of time. The Free forever also meant that there was no hidden or open date where the software would stop working, forcing you to upgrade if you used the product.
More clear?
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We trusted you, and you certainly disappointed us. You just threw away a great product.
Quoting myself just to add that this was not targeted at you, Michael.
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